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I appreciate this opportunity to demonstrate that there is no fundamental problem with my paper as some readers believe. Instead it shows a transformation that fits general thermodynamic restrictions and exhibits an internal entropy coupling that generate an unexpected behavior not seen in conventional thermodynamic systems.
To analyze letters on my article I am going to answer first comments that are common across all letters and then comments that are specific for each author.
A general comment related to feasibility considers that the process described in Figure 1 of the article is not permitted by thermodynamic laws. In this respect thermodynamics suggests that for a process to be feasible temperature must be greater than 0 K, energy must be conserved,
and the total entropy change of the universe should be equal
to or greater than zero (15). I have demonstrated in the
article that the process sketched in Figure 1 fits the above
requirements. Therefore, its operation meets general
thermodynamic requisites and it should be feasible.
In any case, an intuitive view of the dynamics of the
process suggests that once the adiabatic film covering the
metal partition is removed, transition starts with a
spontaneous heat transfer between tank A and
B, caused by a temperature gradient across the metal separation.
Simultaneously, compression begins at a controlled rate to keep
isothermal conditions in A. Then transformation may continue to
reach the final state according to prediction.
It is convenient to say that the process shows a set
of conditions where internal entropy is simultaneously
created and destroyed in different parts of the universe. This is
an interesting behavior suggesting the existence of an
internal entropy coupling not seen before in common systems.
Under these conditions the process is more efficient than a
conventional reversible operation.
Now, the important fact here is that this
unexpected universe may exist because it meets general
thermodynamic requirements. Otherwise, articulation of
thermodynamic laws should be reviewed to consider this case.
Another common comment considers that the process
of Figure 1 is not allowed by thermodynamics because it is
impossible that the isothermal compression process with
internal entropy coupling requires less work than a
conventional reversible isothermal compression for the same initial
and final state.
To this objection, it is interesting to detect that by
linking together a nonreversible isothermal compression with
a heat transfer between two tanks it is possible to find a
feasible set of conditions where the nonisothermal
compression work input is less than the work required by a common
reversible isothermal compression for the same initial and
final states.
This result is unexpected from the point of view of
classical thermodynamics, but irreversible thermodynamics
suggests that such a behavior may occur as a consequence
of the simultaneous production and destruction of internal
entropy in different parts of the universe. Here an oriented
heat transfer between tank A and tank
B produces or creates enough internal entropy to drive a simultaneous
nonreversible isothermal compression in tank
A with destruction of internal entropy. Some authors believe that production of
internal entropy causes a loss in capacity to do work
(1, 3). Then, by analogy, destruction of internal entropy may
increase the ability of the system to produce work. In this
context the net result of simultaneous production and
destruction of internal entropy is a gain in capacity of the system
to do work relative to the corresponding reversible
isothermal compression. During the operation energy is conserved
and the total entropy change of the universe is greater than
zero, fitting general thermodynamic requirements.
Behavior exhibited by this process implies that
irreversibility under internal entropy coupling conditions may
enhance the ability of a system to do work relative to an
equivalent reversible operation for the same change of state. I
have further confirmed this by designing a feasible
thermodynamic cycle with internal entropy coupling resulting in
a cycle of greater efficiency than an equivalent Carnot
cycle operating between the same temperature levels
(6, 7, J. I. Belandria, unpublished). This finding is unusual and
reveals an extraordinary feature of internal entropy coupling
systems that suggests the possibility of designing feasible
thermodynamic cycles more efficient than conventional
classical ones by introducing steps involving simultaneous
production and destruction of internal entropy.
All the letters estimate the final pressure reached by
a conventional reversible isothermal compression at 1500
K using as work input the value required in Figure 1 and
find 3.086 atm. They argue correctly that a reversible
compression cannot reach the final pressure of 4 atm obtained by
the system sketched in Figure 1. This is true because the
process described in the article is more efficient than a
conventional reversible isothermal compression as a
consequence of the simultaneous production and destruction of
internal entropy, as I explained earlier.
Some letters express opinions in relation to
specification of the final state. For example, Nash wonders "where the
author gets his figure for the final pressure in tank
A". Tykodi says "he assumes an impossible condition in the final
state for his illustrative process".
Olivares and Colmenares state that "the final
pressure of 405.32 kPa used by Belandria is unattainable". And
Freeman considers that "he has simply postulated initial and
final conditions without providing data about the change".
To get the final pressure I set up a
thermodynamic model for the whole process using eqs 33 to 42 and
investigated the changes of state permitted by thermodynamic
laws, keeping energy constant and the total entropy change of
the universe equal to or greater than zero. Surprisingly, I
detected a set of conditions allowed by general
thermodynamic restrictions where internal entropy is simultaneously
created and destroyed in different regions of the universe, and
the work required for the nonreversible isothermal
compression is less than the value expected from classical
thermodynamics. Then I selected at random one of these
exceptional changes of state and designed the process shown in Figure
1 of the article. I have found that there is an infinite set of
such states and several transformations that permit an
internal entropy coupling process.
The model indicates that the total entropy change of
the universe is less than zero for temperatures in tank
A below 940.14 K, keeping constant other variables. Therefore,
the process is not allowed by thermodynamics in this range
of temperature. Here, internal entropy destruction in tank
A is greater than production of internal entropy by heat transfer.
For temperatures in tank A above 940.14 K the
total entropy change of the universe is greater than zero and
the process should be allowed by the second law of
thermodynamics. It is possible to see that for temperatures
between 940.14 K and 4948.20 K the process shows an interesting
and unexpected behavior suggesting an internal entropy
coupling. In this range, internal entropy is simultaneously
produced and destroyed in different regions of the universe,
and the nonreversible compression in tank A is more
efficient than a reversible isothermal compression. At 940.14 K
the production of internal entropy is equal to destruction of
internal entropy and efficiency reaches its maximum value.
A thermodynamic cycle operating in the region of almost
cancellation of internal entropy shows a greater efficiency
than an equivalent Carnot cycle working between the same
temperature levels (6, 7, J. I. Belandria, unpublished).
For temperatures in tank A greater than 4948.20 K,
internal entropy is created in all regions of universe and
the system operates according to classical thermodynamics
expectations.
From this analysis it seems that in some
relatively simple interconnected systems, general thermodynamic
restrictions may allow the theoretical existence of a region
with simultaneous creation and destruction of internal
entropy. Under certain conditions close to equal production and
destruction of internal entropy, the process exhibits a
superefficiency, as Tykodi expresses. In this transformation,
thermal death is retarded or avoided by the internal entropy
coupling process, keeping variation of the total entropy of the
universe as low as possible.
In some letters Nash, Tykodi, and Olivares and Colmenares comment about entropy destruction. Tykodi opines that "there is never entropy destruction". Nash
asks "if we should give credit to entropy destruction" and
Olivares and Colmenares follow Prigogine's statement that "we
can therefore say that absorption of entropy in one part,
compensated by a sufficient production in another part of the
system is prohibited".
To this question, irreversible thermodynamics
suggests the possibility of simultaneous creation and destruction
of internal entropy in relatively complex systems. These
transformations have been detected in multireaction and
biological systems, thermodiffusion, and active transport of
ions, and in thermomechanical closed systems
(58). In these systems there is at least a process that creates internal
entropy coupled to a simultaneous transformation that destroys
internal entropy. The destruction of internal entropy is not
expected to take place by itself in a single process but can
be made to occur by coupling it with another simultaneous
process that creates enough internal entropy to compensate
internal entropy destruction.
Freeman, Nash, and Olivares and Colmenares
discuss the creation of internal entropy across a metallic
partition. Freeman says that reference to creation of entropy in
the metal partition "smacks of witchcraft" because an object
with no mass and no heat capacity cannot create entropy. He
explains that there is an increase in entropy as a result of
energy flow through the partition, but the increase arises
from the difference in temperature on the two sides of the
partition. Nash indicates that "the increase in
Suniv is a simple consequence of the flow of heat from a hotter body A to a cooler B". And Olivares and Colmenares calculate the
creation of internal entropy due to heat flow through the
metallic partition, concluding incorrectly that there is no
creation of internal entropy in this transition.
Now, in my article, system M is the metal partition
of negligible mass surrounded by an imaginary surface
representing the boundaries of system M. Surrounding system
M are tanks A and B at different initial temperatures.
Therefore, there is a heat flow from tank A to
B through limits of system M. System
M is receiving heat Qa at a constant
temperature TA and expelling it to a source at a variable
temperature TB without accumulation of energy or entropy. It
is evident, as Nash and Freeman say, that there is a
creation of entropy that may be attributed to heat flow from
A to B arising as a consequence of the difference in temperature
on the two sides of the partitions. I would like to say that
the entropy balance expressed by eq 27 of the article is based
on this consideration and I have assumed for convenience
that internal entropy creation is located within the boundaries
of system M.
On the other hand, Olivares and Colmenares try
to make rigorous demonstrations to estimate the creation
or production of internal entropy in the process of Figure 1
and find erroneously that there is no production of internal
entropy by heat flow through the partition.
They attempt to evaluate entropy flow through
the metal partition using eq 17 of their comments. They did
not realize that their procedure evaluated the variation of
entropy inside the metal partition rather than the entropy
flow generated by heat transfer from tank A to tank
B. Next, they concluded that eq 19 represents entropy flow across
the metal partition. Indeed, eq 19 takes into account the
variation of internal entropy inside the partition and does not
represent the entropy flow caused by heat transfer from tank
A to tank B through barrier boundaries. This is
demonstrated when they calculate the entropy change of the metal
partition and obtain eq 20, which is identical to eq 19,
confirming my hypothesis. When eqs 19 and 20 are introduced in
the entropy balance expression given by eq 21, they obtain
zero production of internal entropy. Obviously, Olivares and
Colmenares are not correct because everybody knows that
internal entropy is produced when heat transfer takes
place across a finite temperature difference. Freeman, Nash,
and conventional engineering thermodynamic textbooks
confirm opinion suggesting that entropy should be produced by
the flow of heat from A to B through a metal partition
(4, 5).
From this wrong conclusion, Olivares and
Colmenares consider that no entropy coupling exists and the process
is not allowed by thermodynamic laws because the internal
entropy destroyed in tank A is not compensated by
production of internal entropy. This is not true, and whatever
conception we select to analyze the process of Figure 1, we find
that creation of internal entropy should occur as a
consequence of heat transfer across a finite temperature difference.
Also, when they calculate the total entropy production of the
universe with eq 25 they find 5.83 JK-1. By a simple balance
if -2.16 JK-1 is destroyed in tank A, then 7.99
JK-1 should be created in some other place. According to the discussion,
such creation must be attributed to heat flow across the metal
partition because nothing else produces entropy in my
process. Therefore they do not solve the "paradox" affecting
general validity of Prigogine's formulation as they say.
Next, they comment that my eq 27 used to estimate
creation of internal entropy is not correct and does not
have thermodynamic foundations. To this I would say that
such an equation comes from a simple entropy balance in a
metal partition and its surroundings. Some thermodynamics
textbooks present similar entropy balances in related cases,
demonstrating the validity of my calculations
(4, 5).
Tykodi comments that for system A to stay
isothermal during compression means that the work interaction
with the surroundings must be mechanically reversible.
Similarly Battino and Wood say that "the only way the compression
in A may occur isothermally is via a reversible process". In
relation to this, most laboratory and industrial isothermal
operations are irreversible. Some conventional textbooks
show examples of irreversible isothermal processes
invalidating the above argument (9, 10). By controlling compression
force and heat transfer we may reach irreversible isothermal
conditions without serious difficulties.
Now, I am going to discuss specific comments of each
letter. Tykodi points out that my notation could be improved
by using IUPAC rules. This may be true, but when I wrote
this paper I had in mind engineering convention and I used it
for simplicity and customary reasons. In any case, results
and consequences of my work are independent of any
arbitrary or conventional notation system.
In a third point Tykodi assumes that I treat the
uptake of heat by system B as a reversible process. Indeed, when
I analyze tank B I do not make any previous assumption
about reversibility, but entropy balance suggests that transition
in B occurs without production or destruction of internal
entropy. Since production of internal entropy is zero in
B, then it appears that an event in tank
B occurs as if it were reversible as Tykodi thinks.
Tykodi indicates that the only irreversible part of
my process is the heat transfer across the finite temperature
between systems A and B. This picture is not correct
because the process in tank A is also an attainable nonreversible
isothermal compression as explained previously.
Then he lists results for an imagined process
consisting of a reversible compression in tank
A, a reversible heating in tank B, and an irreversible heat transfer between
A and B. Such values are correct for his assumption but not for
the process described in my article, composed of a
nonreversible isothermal compression in tank
A, a constant volume heating in tank
B, and an irreversible heat transfer between
A and B across a metal barrier. His calculation does not
consider the internal entropy coupling occurring in the cited
process. Tykodi believes that entropy can only be produced
and never can be destroyed. This statement is true in all
systems described by classical thermodynamics, but my process is
an interesting exception of this behavior.
He argues that final state cannot be reached
adiabatically from initial state for my selected path. To this
consideration I have explained that the process fits general
thermodynamic requirements. Therefore, the overall adiabatic
path selected is allowed by thermodynamics and may
represent an exception of Caratheodory's theorem for adiabatic
processes (11).
At the end of his letter Tykodi opines that referees
did not review the article well. For me it is difficult to think
that referees of a universally known journal did not read my
work carefully and critically. I guess that reviewers felt that
the article was interesting enough to be published
independent of notation and nonconventional ideas that may generate
an stimulating discussion about thermodynamic topics.
Now, I will consider Nash's comments. He states in
his first paragraph that "the change of state taking place in
tank A is nothing but the isothermal compression of an ideal
gas from 1 to 4 atm". To this I would like to say that the
change of state taking place in tank A is something more than a
conventional solitary isothermal compression. Indeed, the
process illustrated in Figure 1 of my article represents an
internal entropy coupling system in which an oriented heat
transfer between tank A and tank B produces enough internal
entropy to drive a simultaneous reversible isothermal
compression in tank A with destruction of internal entropy.
During the process heat is released to tank
B, where the temperature varies from 373 to 1500 K and both tanks are
covered externally by an adiabatic wall. From this outline it is
possible to visualize that the process described in Figure 1
is not equivalent to a conventional isothermal compression
as Nash considers.
It is obvious, as he explains, that the minimum work
required "by nothing but an isothermal compression at 1500
K from 1 to 4 atm" is -17.3 kJ. This performance corresponds
to a conventional reversible isothermal compression
releasing heat to a constant-temperature heat reservoir at the
same temperature of the system equal to 1500 K. Classical
thermodynamics postulates that the above value is the
minimum work required for the best isothermal compression
system designed by man for the given change of state.
However, if we link an irreversible isothermal
compression with a heat transfer between two tanks as described
in Figure 1, it is possible to find a feasible set of
conditions where the work input is less than the work required by
a conventional reversible isothermal compression. In
this sense, I have demonstrated that under internal entropy
coupling it is possible to design a feasible irreversible
isothermal compression with a work input of -14,054 J, which is
less than the -17,289 J required by a reversible isothermal
compression for the same initial and final states. This result
is unexpected from the point of view of classical
thermodynamics as Nash claims, but irreversible thermodynamics
suggests that this behavior may occur as a consequence of the
internal entropy coupling process as explained earlier.
Nash tries to use the process in a closed cycle to
conclude that the process described in my article violates
the second law of thermodynamics, but he makes a wrong
assumption that invalidates his reasoning. He writes
"imagine tank A as the cylinder of a Carnot engine in thermal
contact with an immense heat reservoir at 1500 K. Beginning at
1 atm, let the author's notional irreversible isothermal
compression proceed to 4 atm with work input of -14.05 kJ.
Let the gas then resume its original state by a reversible
isothermal expansion yielding a work output of 17.3 kJ". Here,
Nash is imagining a process different from the one described
in Figure 1 of my article. It is possible to see that tank
A cannot be used as the cylinder of a Carnot engine in
thermal contact with a heat reservoir at 1500 K as Nash thinks.
It can be seen that during the process heat is transferred
from tank A to tank B, which is a nonisothermal heat sink and
its temperature varies from 373 to 1500 K. Also, both tanks
A and B are covered externally by an adiabatic wall.
Therefore, the cycle imagined by Nash does not fit the requirements
of the geometry of the process described in the paper and
his cycle does not work. It is evident that the process does
not violate the second law of thermodynamics because the
total entropy change of the whole universe is greater than zero.
He continues and calculates the entropy change for
his conventional reversible compression and finds a value
of -9.369 J K-1 and concludes that the difference between
the value given in my article and his value is the entropy
destroyed, equivalent to -2.15 J K-1. He calculates the total
entropy change for the conventional isothermal
compression using the work input of Figure 1 and a final pressure of
3.086 atm and obtains a value of 7.99 J K-1 for his
compression model, which is different from the system represented in
Figure 1, where the total entropy change of the universe is
equal to 5.83 J K-1. Therefore, there are not discrepancies in
my conclusion, as he asserts, because all my calculations are
correct and consistent with the system expressed in Figure
1; and his results are valid only for his system, which
represents a different situation.
Other specific comments appear in Battino and
Wood's letter. They assume a reversible compression in tank
A and a reversible heating process in tank
B and calculate correctly the required pressure and total entropy change of such a
system. Then, they estimate the heat transferred from tank
A considering a reversible isothermal compression and
find 17,289 J. Next they compare this value with 14,054 J
taken by tank B and ask "what happens to the excess heat?"
Well, the numbers are incompatible because they compare heat
intake of tank B with heat release from a reversible
isothermal compression in tank A. They should make
comparison using the actual heat released by the nonreversible
isothermal compression described in the article, which is 14,054
J. In this case, the numbers are compatible.
They said finally that there are no surprises here
and no exceptions to the laws of thermodynamics. In relation
to this, I have explained my ideas in the beginning of this
rebuttal letter.
Olivares and Colmenares start their letter
considering that the process is physically unfeasible because
according to classical thermodynamics for a reversible isothermal
compression in tank A, pressure should be equal to or less
than 312.71 kPa. As I explained earlier, the process meets
general thermodynamic requirements. Then it should be feasible,
being more efficient than a conventional reversible
compression. The internal entropy coupling process allows the
existence of a path with a final pressure greater than the
value expected from simple mechanical arguments, and the
system does more work than a reversible process between the
same states.
They continue to explain that a total entropy
change greater than zero does not imply that a process will in
fact occur because it depends on the dynamics of
transformation. They suggest as an example that the formation of water
from its elements at 25 °C and 1 atm is highly favored
thermodynamically; however, it does not take place spontaneously
unless a catalyst or a spark initiates reaction. Now, if we
analyze intuitively the dynamics of the process described in
Figure 1 of my article, it can be deduced that the process
starts spontaneously when the adiabatic film on the metal
partition is removed. The removal of the adiabatic film is the
act or impulse that initiates a spontaneous heat transfer
from tank A to tank B because of the temperature
difference across the metal barrier. Simultaneously, compression
starts at a controlled rate to keep isothermal conditions in
A. Then, the system may continue to reach a final state according
to model prediction. In any case, experimental evidence
would be necessary to verify my hypothesis; but theoretically,
the process starts.
Next, they said that I failed to recognize that
entropy production is not an additive property as they show in
eq A7. Although this may be generally true, for the process it
is additive as I will now show. They find in eq 29 a value
of 5.83 J K-1 for total entropy production according to their
reasoning. Now, if I assume additivity, the total entropy
production for the whole universe will be obtained summing up
my eqs 21, 25, and 27 and I get 5.83 J K-1, which is the
same value found by them. Since the values coincide my
hypothesis is correct.
Other specific comments appear in Freeman's letter.
He considers that the term creation/destruction has a
number of connotations and should not be used in a scientific
discipline. In this respect I think that any term used to
describe a process must have a physical or intuitive feeling to
understand better its behavior. I have selected for the article
a name that reflects the nature of a process involving
simultaneous creation and destruction of internal entropy. The
term creation/destruction gives us a stimulating view of some
special transformations of nature and describes at different
levels the events taking place in the article, where many
interpretations are possible.
Freeman states that another puzzling aspect is
my claim that the nonreversible compression process is more
efficient than a reversible isothermal compression for the
same initial and final states. He says this is an invalid
comparison because if such a reversible compression were done
the heat generated would raise the temperature in tank
B above 1500 K or raise the temperature of both chambers,
invalidating the posed conditions of the process. To this
argument I would say that my intention is to compare the process
taking place in tank A in my model with a conventional
reversible isothermal compression occurring in a tank
surrounded by an isothermal heat reservoir. This tank is not
connected to tank B as Freeman thinks. I found that the
nonreversible isothermal compression in Figure 1 of my article requires
a work input of -14,054 J. Now, if gas is compressed
between the same states under isothermal reversible conditions in
a tank immersed in an isothermal heat reservoir it would
require a work input of -17,289 J. Evidently, the process
taking place in tank A is more efficient than the
corresponding isothermal reversible compression occurring in a tank
releasing heat reversibly to isothermal surroundings. This
seems to me a reasonable comparison to measure the efficiency
of the process.
He comments that the question to be asked is "given
the posed initial conditions, let the gas in
A be compressed isothermally and reversibly to a final pressure such that
the heat produced in A is exactly that required to produce
the given results in B. What is the final pressure?" He finds
312.7 kPa, compared to 405.32 kPa found in the process.
Obviously, these results mean that the compression process
represented in Figure 1 is more efficient than a reversible
isothermal compression. This behavior is a consequence of the
internal entropy coupling process previously explained.
Freeman also says that it is not possible to
accomplish the stated compression of the gas in
A. However, I have demonstrated that the process fits general thermodynamic
requirements and should be feasible through the path
described.
Finally, Freeman states that there is no merit in
this paper other than its being used as a debugging
assignment. I would be happy if this paper were used as a debugging
assignment, because I feel people will find a new vision of
the universe and thermodynamic fundamentals. I consider
that this paper has drawn attention from readers around
the world generating an interesting discussion about the
existence of internal entropy coupling processes and the
implications of their extraordinary behavior. The article has
interesting aspects and presents a stimulating situation that
deserves to be discussed at different levels. I think this is
relevant whatever interpretation we assign to it.
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